The Idiot's Lantern

The Idiot's Lantern

Thursday, December 31, 2009

Happy New Year!

Hello everyone!

I've been away on vacation-this is the first time I've done anything significant online since I've been away. I just wanted to wish everyone a Happy New Year!! Have fun, party hard, and stay safe!

Enjoy the rest of the End of Time! :)

See you on the flipside!

Thursday, December 03, 2009

December Steering Meeting

I hope everyone had a Happy Thanksgiving! Any fun tales to tell? Any exploding deep frying turkeys? Anyone loose consciousness when their Great Aunt Tilly squeezed them to death? ;)

It's time for our monthly steering meeting! 7-9 pm at Tommy's on Lane. The primary agenda item will be planning the viewing party for the Christmas/New Year's Special. Movie theater? Restaurant? Someone's house? What will it be? Ideas people!!!

Hope to see you tonight!

Tuesday, November 24, 2009

Happy Thanksgiving!

Just a quick post-I hope everyone has a Happy Thanksgiving! Be sure to enjoy lots of Doctor Who! (and a happy belated 46th birthday to our favorite show!!!)

For your enjoyment: BabelColour's 45 year tribute!


To those travel over the mountains and through the woods this weekend-safe travels!!!
If your heading to Chicago Tardis-have a great time!!!

Thursday, November 19, 2009

Sunday Gathering Update

Hey Folks! We are gathering at Lee's this weekend to watch the latest episode of our favorite show!

The fun starts at 3:00pm, with the main event starting around 6. We will be watching episodes of Doctor Who, Sarah Jane, and possibly the premiere episode of the new K-9 series.

Bring a dish to share, and we hope to see you there! :) (directions can be found in the files section of the DWC Yahoo list)

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Don't forget-this Thursday and Friday, the Gift airs on BBC One-the last story for series 3 of the Sarah Jane Adventures!

Chicago Tardis is next weekend!! Sadly, I will not be able to attend this year. :( If you are going, be sure to take lots of pictures to share! :)

Friday, November 13, 2009

New Who!!!

Don't forget Waters of Mars airs this weekend on BBC One!!! Also, if you are into audio commentaries, BBC Radio 7 will air the commentary of the latest episode featuring David Tennant, Julie Gardner and Russell T. Davies! If you miss it live, it will be available for 7 days in their Listen Again section. (if you have iTunes, you can susbscribe to the DW Commentaries podcast as well!!)

Speaking of the new episode, Lee has graciously offered his home for a group showing of Waters of Mars next week! Even if you catch it before, come join us for the fun! (more details forthcoming...)


Mark your calendars-Waters of Mars will premiere in the U.S. on BBC America on Saturday December 19th!

Have a great weekend, everyone!

Wednesday, November 04, 2009

November steering meeting

Don't forget our November steering meeting is tomorrow!

Thursday November 5th, at Tommy's Pizza on Lane from 7-9pm.


Hope to see you there!

Monday, November 02, 2009

New Doctor Who on Radio 7

There is a new Doctor Who episode on BBC Radio 7 this week! "Sisters of the Flame":

"Someone is attempting to resurrect the past - and they need a Time Lord to help them achieve it. Stars Paul McGann."


It will be in the Listen Again section until Saturday, November 14th.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00nlyg5

If there are any other Star Trek: DS9 fans among us- you might recognize the voice of actor Alexander Siddig (Dr. Bashir)

Also, if you are feeling particularly nerdy, he is one of a few actors who have participated in both Doctor Who and Star Trek productions. It just so happens that one of the first DS9 episodes that focused on his character guest starred Daphne Ashbrook...the Eighth Doctor's companion in the 1996 movie! LOL.

Wednesday, October 21, 2009

October meeting

Don't forget our October meeting is this Saturday!

This month we will be meeting at Carrie's-the fun starts at 5:00pm! Come join us to party and watch the Sarah Jane Adventures.

Bring a snack or a side dish and a favorite vid to share!

(If you need directions or contact info, please check the DWC Yahoo list-thanks!!)

Thursday, October 01, 2009

October steering meeting

Hiya folks!

Don't forget we have a steering meeting tonight! 7-9pm, Tommy's Pizza on Lane!

Hope to see you tonight!

Thursday, September 17, 2009

September meeting

Hey all! Everyone ready to head over to John's this weekend to party? ;)

Yes! Our September meeting will be held at John's house (directions can be found in the Yahoo list) We'll be meeting to party, watch some new Greatest Moments of Doctor Who specials, and have fun!!

Bring your party hat, a snack or sidedish to share, and, if you like, your favorite vid for us to choose from!

Festivities start at 5pm. Hope to see you there!!!


Also, DWC had a presence at DragonCon-as soon as I get the chance, I'll be picking out some photos to share. (thank you, Lee-for the photos!)

Thursday, September 03, 2009

September steering!

Yikes! It's 5 o'clock! If you happen to be online and checking this blog, don't forget we have a steering meeting tonight starting at 7pm, running until about 9! Come join us at Tommy's Pizza on Lane!


Also, if anyone has any pictures from the party on the 29th they'd like to share on this blog, feel free to drop me a line! (romana1[at]gmail[dot]com)


Hope to see you tonight!

Thursday, August 27, 2009

August meeting and summer party!

Hey everyone! Don't forget our August meeting is this Saturday, August 29th at Andrew's, starting at 2pm!

Join us for a backyard picnic at Andrew's House for some sci fi fun! Bring a side dish or dessert, and we'll watch Torchwood: Children of Earth.

For contact information and directions, please see the DWC Yahoo list-thank you!

Hope to see you there!

Friday, August 14, 2009

Raiders at Ohio Theatre

Hi everyone!

Just a quick reminder that a group of us are getting together on Sunday (Aug 16th) to see the Raiders of the Lost Ark at the Ohio Theatre. http://www.capa.com/columbus/events/event.php?e=682


The movie starts at 7:30, if you arrive early, 7pm, you will get to hear the organ playing various movie themes before the show.

Hope to see you there!

Wednesday, August 05, 2009

August steering meeting

Hiya folks!

Just a quick reminder that tomorrow (August 6th) is our monthly steering meeting from 7-9pm at Tommy's Pizza on Lane! I haven't seen any discussion about changing the venue again, so I'm only going by the reminder that was sent-(sorry about that!) Be sure to check the Yahoo group for last minute updates before you head out!

Hope to see you there!

Friday, July 17, 2009

Social Meeting/Marcon picnic, Torchwood

Hey everyone! Don't forget the Marcon Picnic tomorrow!! Starting at 9:00 and running until about 6pm at Highbanks Metro Park. Please bring a side dish and/or dessert to share. It also might be wise to bring something to drink (usually Marcon provides this with leftovers from the ConSuite, but there weren't any this year).

For directions and other general information about the park: http://metroparks.net/ParksHighbanks.aspx

Also, Torchwood: Children of Earth begins this Monday starting at 9pm on BBC America!! And for those who were worried how much would be cut from the original BBC broadcast-you've got nothing to worry about! BBC America is planning on airing the mini-series uncut! (all episodes will be in a 75 minute timeslot, to allow for commercials)

You'll have three chances to watch/record it: 9pm, 12am, and 2:30am (all times Eastern). Just don't wait for the re-broadcast at 8pm-unfortunately those showings will only be 60 min.

Are you as excited as I am?!?!?! :-D

Wednesday, July 15, 2009

Change of movie plans!

Due to the midnight showing of the new Harry Potter movie being sold out last night, we've decided to try to make the 7pm showing at Lennox. It was so out on 23 screens-so if you haven't already done so- it might be a good idea to buy your tickets in advance!



*EDIT: GAH!!!! We are aiming for the 6:15pm showing of Harry Potter, NOT the 7pm!!!! Sorry guys!*

Tuesday, July 14, 2009

Movie Night!

First of all, welcome to our newest member, Hayley! (also known as another Romana! Romana II-and no, I'm not just saying that-she said so herself! ;)) Hope you have fun here!

Also, for anyone interested, we will be meeting at Lennox tonight for the midnight premiere of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. You can purchase your ticket ahead of time at http://amctheatres.com. , the $1 fee is waived if you have a moviewatcher card.

An added bonus for soundtrack fans:
"Buy tickets in advance for Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince ™ in theaters July 15th and receive a free download of "Friends and Love" on iTunes. The soundtrack by Nicholas Hooper is available on July 14th."

Don't forget-this weekend is the Marcon picnic! More details later...

Thursday, July 09, 2009

July steering meeting

Don't forget-our July steering meeting is tonight at Tai's Asian Bistro on Lane Avenue from 7-9 pm. Hope to see you tonight!

Tuesday, June 30, 2009

New poll!

Hey! Just taking a quick break from my trip to let you know that there is a new poll for DWC!

For our next steering meeting, would you rather meet at Tommy's Pizza or Tai's Asian Bistro? Please go to the group to see the pros and cons of both places, and to place your vote. Thanks!!!

I would also like to welcome our newest member, Eric!! Welcome, Eric!

Saturday, June 27, 2009

Another social gathering: Morning movie and lunch!

Author note: this is a scheduled post while I'm away-please check the List for any further updates-Thanks!!)

We are certainly busy this weekend! :) If Origins didn't tire you out too much, join us tomorrow for a morning movie and lunch!

We will meet around 10am at Eastern or Lennox AMC theaters for a morning movie (priced around $5) and then afterwards lunch at Johnny Rockets to discuss the movie. (Please check the Yahoo list to find out where we will be meeting. I didn't catch the update before I left for vacation-I'm sorry!)

Friday, June 26, 2009

DWC at Origins

Author note: this is a scheduled post while I'm away-please check the List for any further updates-Thanks!!)

Just a quick reminder that tomorrow we will be attending Origins as a club! We will meet at registration (near the long escalators), around 10am.

Origins is a gaming convention held in the convention center every year - a lot of fun guests, games of all kinds, and a pretty good dealer room is the tradition. Tickets run under $10 a person, and coupons may be available for a buy one/get one free discount in local papers. For more information, see http://www.originsgamefair.com/

Be sure to check the Yahoo list for any last minute updates!

Thursday, June 25, 2009

Hey, hey! Don't forget!

Hiya, everyone! Boy, I'm excited-today is my Friday! Tomorrow, I will be on VACATION! Yay!

Okay, lots of stuff coming up this weekend. First, if you haven't already done so, vote in the poll Carrie created for which movie you would like to see on Sunday. It closes today, so head on over to the Yahoo group, and put in your vote! :)

Saturday, June 27th we are meeting at Origins at 10am.
Sunday, June 28th, is morning movie and lunch, starting at about 10am.
Thursday, July 2nd is our steering meeting starting at about 7pm, place TBA.

Since I will be on vacation, and I'm not sure how much time I'll have for internet access, I will be setting this blog to post reminders for the weekend events. Be sure to keep an eye on the Yahoo list for final plans for next Thursday's steering meeting.

TAFN-everyone have a great weekend!!! Don't forget, the Next Doctor premiere's on BBC America this Saturday at 9pm!

Friday, June 19, 2009

A belated welcome, and concom meeting

In my last post, I neglected to welcome our newest member, Sidley. My apologies, Sidley!!!! Welcome!!!!!! I even had it written down to write about it-I feel like such a dork. *facepalm*

I also forgot to mention that this Sunday is the Marcon Concom meeting-starting at 1pm at the Whetstone library. This is the meeting where we will vote for next year's chair. If you were on staff and would like to vote-come to the meeting on Sunday!

TAFN (I think!) ;)

A weekend of events...

Hiya, folks! Just a reminder- it was determined at the steering meeting that our next monthly gathering would be July 27th & 28th, rather than this weekend. We have some activities planned for the weekend:

Saturday the 27th we'll attend Origins Game Fair as a club.
Origins: http://www.originsgamefair.com/

Origins is a gaming convention held in the convention center every year - a lot of fun guests, games of all kinds, and a pretty good dealer room is the tradition. Tickets run under $10 a person, and coupons may be available for a buy one/get one free discount in local papers.
We will meet at registration (near the long escalators).

Sunday the 28th we'll do Morning Movie and Lunch
AMC runs movies for $5 before noon, we'll see a film and then review it over at Johnny Rockets for lunch. We will be meeting at either Eastern or Lennox (final place to be determined next week)

(Thanks for the update, Maureen!)


And, finally-I know it's been a long time coming, but I did manage to post some of the pictures I took at Marcon to my Flickr account.

Here's my favorite image:
Blink
(click on the photo to see a larger image and to view the rest of the pics in the set)

I may be adding more later, but I'm not sure.

Have a great weekend!!!

Thursday, June 04, 2009

Steering meeting!!!!

Yikes! I forgot to post this! We have a steering meeting today, starting at 7pm and running until about 9pm at the Tai's Asian Bistro! If the weather is nice, the first person there-please get a table outdoors. :)

We will be reviewing Marcon, and discussing who we might support in the upcoming chairman election. Also, bring your ideas for a place to hold our June meeting. :)

Hope to see you tonight!

Friday, May 29, 2009

More updates!

First of all, welcome Bill, our newest memember from Norton!!! We hope you like it here. :)

Ok, I know I said I'd try to get my pictures posted by the end of the week...but it just didn't happen. New goal: next week! ;)

However, thanks to Carrie and Lee, we have a couple more links of our favorite Weeping Angel!!



And this has got to be one of the best pictures, ever: Angel and baby

It's been quite a busy week for Doctor Who and both of it's spinoffs! Here are a few more news bits:

The Doctor's new companion is announced

BBC America gets first-run rights for the 2008/9 Who specials

...and...

a new trailer for Torchwood's Children of the Earth is here-yay!

Also, from Torchwood.tv, BBC America has updated their Torchwood site and it's filled with goodies-go check it out!

Tuesday, May 26, 2009

Marcon, welcome, and some show news

First of all, I'd like to welcome Cindy from Springfield! Welcome, Cindy!!

Next, it was great seeing all of you at Marcon!! Our video room was a success again this year! Special thanks to Andrew, for creating the playlist, Jarrod, for working out the schedule, and to ALL of our volunteers!!! Without you, we couldn't have done it!

Congrats to Betty, for winning the Hall Costume prize-her costume was fantastic! She made a very convincing Angel from Blink-it was fun to listen to the con-goers try to figure out if she was real or not. ;) She was mentioned in this blog, and can be seen in this photo set posted by members of the USS Maximillian.

I'm currently fighting a cold I seem to have picked up, but I hope to post some of my pictures to my flickr account by the end of the week.

(Thanks to Maureen, Andrew, and Lee for the news/links!)

So! If you had been hearing certain rumors regarding our favorite show and it's spinoffs around the con, some of them have been confirmed by being officially announced!

Spoiler phobes, beware the following links:
(btw, they all say pretty much the same thing-just an official announcement, and some fan blog takes)

Spoiler link 1
Spoiler link 2
Spoiler link 3
Spoiler link 4 -with a couple of more links in the post!

TAFN!

Thursday, May 21, 2009

Marcon 44!!

Hey everyone! Hope to see you at Marcon tomorrow!!! I'll be around-in the video room, attending panels. Be sure to check out the parody 'Doctorre Who' with the Confused Greenies Saturday evening!! :)

I never did get around to making my Sarah Jane costume from the Hand of Fear, but I did manage to scrape together 2 costumes from the Sarah Jane Adventures-they aren't perfect, but as with all my costumes, I start of basic, and then improve as the cons go by. I may also be totting around my "K-9" (my childhood stuffed dog dressed as K-9) ;)

Look for me! My badge will have 'Romanadvoratrelundar' on it. (I don't remember if I also included 'DWC') I may edit the badge to also say 'Romana1 on Sarah-Jane.tv', (like I should have done at the beginning of Chicago Tardis! )

Before I go, a little bit of random news-the Doctor Who graphic novel, Forgotten ranked within the top 300 graphic novel sales in April! It ranked no. 77! Woo! Click here for full article.

See you at Marcon!!!

Friday, May 15, 2009

Social meeting!!!

Hey everyone! Tomorrow we are having a social meeting, which the Walters have graciously offered there home for. :)

The fun begins at 5, and will run until about 9. They will be grilling hamburgers, hotdogs and brats. Everyone, please bring a dish to share!!!

Directions and contact info have been posted in the files section on the Yahoo list.

Hope to see you there!

(Oooh, Marcon is only a week away!! Is everybody ready? :) )

Thursday, May 14, 2009

Marcon steering meeting and movie premiere!

Hiya Folks,

Don't forget, we have another steering meeting tonight! Change of venue, though-instead of Tommy's, we'll be meeting at Tai's Asian Bistro, a block down the road (thank you for the reminder, Maureen!)

Come join us at 8pm to discuss Marcon details! Later, join us for the midnight premiere of Angels and Demons. As before, if you want to join us for the movie, go ahead and order your tickets for LENNOX. (http://amctheatres.com/)

Marcon is only 8 days away!!!

Hope to see you tonight!

Thursday, May 07, 2009

Steering meeting and movie reminder!

Hi All!

Just a friendly reminder-there's a steering meeting tonight at Tommy's Pizza on Lane starting at 8pm to talk about Marcon stuff, followed by a group outing to see the premiere of the new Star Trek movie! Rmemeber to get your tickets for Lennox! (www.amctheatres.com)

Any questions, contact Andrew!

Hope to see you there!

Monday, May 04, 2009

Looking Ahead-upcoming meetings/gatherings

Gah, apologies to those who are following our blog with RSS-I hit the wrong key and it published a blank entry!

Just a reminder that we are having another steering meeting this Thursday, May 7th, starting at 8pm at Tommy's on Lane. This will be another meeting/movie premiere event! :) If you are just interested in joining us for the meeting to discuss Marcon plans, that's ok! :) Anyone interested in both the meeting and the premiere of Star Trek, go ahead and buy advanced tickets for LENNOX. :)

Also, just to give people a heads up-we will be having a social meeting on Saturday, May 16th starting at 5pm. More details to follow.

As always, if you have any questions, feel free to contact Andrew!

Wednesday, April 29, 2009

Wednesday notes...

First of all, welcome mstarrtrekker! Mstarrtrekker is the manager of Starbase Columbus, and will be keeping us updated on events that are happening at their store. :)

Tomorrow, Thursday, April 30th, is our monthly steering meeting (for May, yes, I know, not quite May yet-but it will be by the end of the night!;) ) This is no ordinary meeting! It will start off at the usual place (which has been Tommy's Pizza on Lane as of late) for Marcon planning, and will end up at the Lennox Theater for the Wolverine (uh, I mean X-Men Origins ;) ) movie premiere! Anyone interested in attending the movie, go ahead and visit AMC and purchase advanced tickets for LENNOX. http://amctheatres.com. If you have any questions, feel free to contact Andrew.

Also, Andrew has posted the playlist for our video room at Marcon next month. If you are on the video staff, please be sure to email Jarrod so he can write the schedule. Let him know if you have any restrictions, or plan on attending any panels that might conflict with a schedule. Remember we are trying to give everyone 3 hours in the video room, and 3 on backup, with the hours in 1 1/2 hour blocks or so, so bear that in mind. Remember that the room is 24 hours, so volunteers for the night shift are also appreciated.

We will be having 2 additional steering meetings for the month of May to discuss Marcon stuff. Mark your calendars for May 7th and the 14th (especially if you are on staff!! Please try to attend one of our steering meetings before Marcon) Remember, Marcon 44 is British themed, so let's show our support!!!

Thanks! Hope to see you there!

(All contact info can be found in the DWC Yahoo list.)

Wednesday, April 15, 2009

Welcome!

It's been a while since I've done a welcome post, but I'd like to welcome Michelle from Cinci to our little group!! Welcome, Michelle!!! Hope you like it here!

Thursday, April 02, 2009

April steering meeting

Hey everyone! Enjoy April Fools? Any good jokes? Sarah-Jane.tv had a good one. ;)

All joking aside, tonight's our monthly steering meeting! 7-9pm at Tommy's Pizza on Lane. Main topic: Marcon planning!!

Hope to see you there!

Friday, March 27, 2009

March meeting!

Gah! I need to set a reminder in my phone, so I'm not posting these reminders so close to the event!

Don't forget-tomorrow, March 28th, is our monthly meeting, starting at 7pm at Andrew's. Andrew wants to remind you all that he works until 7, so if he's a little late getting back, not to worry! :) (directions and his contact info can be found in the files section in the DWC Yahoo list)

We will be discussing a lot of Marcon details, such as guests, panels, video room, and decorations. We'll also certainly be watching some new British stuff like, Being Human.

Also, a reminder- deadlines for Marcon are approaching : panel registration (March 31st) and staff registration (April 15th). More about these will be discussed at the meeting.

Hope to see you there!

Wednesday, March 18, 2009

Blue Jackets Family Night

Hi guys-
Just a quick reminder that tonight's the night for our group family outing to see the Blue Jackets take on the Chicago Blackhawks!

Game time is 7-if you have any last minute questions, be sure to give Andrew a call!

Have fun-wish I could join you!

...if anyone is inclined to take some pics, send them along to me and I'll post them on the blog! (pics from others have a better chance at getting posted than my own-how do you like that?!? LOL.)

Wednesday, March 04, 2009

Steering into March...

Hiya Folks!

Don't forget, tomorrow, March 5th, is our monthly steering meeting at Tommy's Pizza on Lane Avenue, from 7-9pm.

Also, don't forget that the deadline for Marcon 44 panelist registration is coming up (March 15th). Check out the files section to see the list of potential panels, and the reminder post on list. It would be really awesome if we had alot of participants! (speaking of which, I need to give the list another look myself...)

REMINDER! (yes, another one!) If you are interested in attending a Blue Jackets game with the group and haven't already done so, please respond to the update poll Andrew posted with available game dates. (I haven't heard the final word and the poll is still open, so I assume this is still ongoing. ;) ) I wish I could join you guys (I love hockey!) but sadly, I cannot make any of those days. Have fun!

Special thanks to Mreen for keeping us updated with all of the British SciFi radio shows that are airing on BBC Radio! One of these days I'll get back to posting reminders here as well... For Nicholas Courtney and Terry Molloy fans (the Brig and Davros), don't forget the latest episode of the Scarifyers is still up on Radio 7's Listen Again section!

Hope to see you tomorrow at the steering meeting!

Thursday, February 19, 2009

Group outing for the Blue Jackets game

Hi everyone! This is just a little reminder that this Saturday, February 21st, is the DWC Family Night Out at the Blue Jackets game. The game starts at 7 at Nationwide Arena.

A couple of notes: First-Andrew has created a poll for the event-if you haven't already done so, please respond to the poll to let him know you are coming-the sooner, the better, because as Marica pointed out, the weekend games have become rather popular. Andrew has also sent an email through the Yahoo list, and has asked that you respond to that as well to let him know if you are bringing anyone.

Second: Marcia has posted a few tibits for Blue Jackets game first-timers. (Thanks, Marica!!!)

If you have any questions, feel free to contact Andrew. Also, keep an eye one the list, just in case the game is a sell-out and we need a back up plan. ;)

Thanks!

Wednesday, February 04, 2009

February Steering meeting

Don't forget, tomorrow (Thursday, Feb. 5th), is our monthly steering meeting!
7-9 pm, at Tommy's Pizza on Lane.

Hope to see you there!

Friday, January 16, 2009

January meeting

Don't forget our January monthly meeting is tomorrow, Jan. 17th, from 5-9pm at John's. Andrew will be bringing some leftovers from the New Years party (pop, Christmas candy, etc.), and John will have the usual hummus plus crackers. If anyone would like to bring cold cuts, hamburgers, or hot dogs-that would be awesome!!

Let's watch some of the best bits of the latest in British sci-fi, fantasy, and genre comedy. ALSO we will be watching Ruby In The Smoke with Billie Piper and the brand new 11th Doctor Matt Smith. Bring along some snacks and sides and enjoy Doctor Who from the comfort of John's house. Join us for fun, food, and chat!

Also, John has posted a flyer about the digital transition next month. WOSU is looking for volunteers to help answer questions about the transition, etc. John's got all the details and will discuss it at the meeting.

As always, if you have any questions, feel free to contact Andrew!! :)
Hope to see you there!

Thursday, January 08, 2009

Steering meeting tonight!

Hi everyone!

I hope everyone had a wonderful holiday! I've only been back to work for a few days-still trying to dig myself out of the backup work! ;) I'm sorry I missed the holiday party and the trip to WhoNA. Hope you guys had a great time! :) Believe it or not, I'm still planning on posting some of the pics I took from Chicago Tardis-I know it's been awhile, but I didn't have the time to post them before I went on my Christmas vacation.

On to business!! Our January steering meeting is tonight, from 7-9pm at the Rusty Bucket on Lane Avenue. Join us for good food and great conversation. We will be talking about our latest news and events, deciding our future and just hanging out! Contact Andrew if you have any questions. Everyone is invited-hope to see you there!

Also, don't forget our monthly meeting is Saturday, January 17th. I'll be posting more details later. :)